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    Re: Gundam Build Divers

    This is kinda refreshing. With the way GBF universe ended, I don't know how to move forward with the battles. Everything will just be some sort of particle hax.

    Since I liked the original Gunpla Builders better than Build Fighters, I think this is a good start.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Riah View Post
    Eh, the furry avatars just seem like a natural thing because it's the internet. And if you're in a virtual social hang out like that, you're gonna find people with furry avatars, fabulous fox boys, and people looking like demons/oni. People will present themselves online in more fantastical ways that they can't do in meat space, because you can and the internet is liberating.

    I really like AGE's designs and especially grunts, despite my issues with the show itself. So it's great to see AGE and G Reco kits finally get some focus in Build Fighters.

    10 v 10 and having objectives seems really interesting. You have full squads, and possibly really vary up the fights by having different objectives. Though that makes me worried they're gonna have to juggle an ever more massive cast than usual, and thus nobody is really gonna get fleshed out.

    That said, I just wish we didn't have a literal Nazi fur as a main character. I've encounter too many of those folks online, thank you very much. Taking the name Rommel and hazing a PANZER division is just straight up Nazi cosplay. At least with regular Zeon, despite the undertones and Gihren being "a Hitler follower", they weren't LITERAL NAZIS. And they weren't treated as cool friendly rivals.

    I might have to sit out this series on that bullshit alone because I really don't wanna deal with it.
    Don't confuse The Nazi Party with "NAZI-ISM" there is a difference. The NAZI-ISM is the ideology of Hitler and Himmler, horrible and evil, and bad yes. but that is not the basis, or foundation of the Nazi Party, it came latter after the party took full power. Today those people are far and thankfully few. What we called Nazi (National Socialist German Workers' Party, note the first two words for what Nazi actually stands for. It is an acronym) then are actually what today we would call a "Democratic Socialist", ANTIFIA and what not. As Saul Alinsky* would say, "They are useful idiots used to push an agenda forward, for the greater good and power of those who can wield it best." and yes they are online doing some stupid crap. But online is a "safe space" for them to rant without actually being held accountable for what they say and or do. So don't be to quick to judge a cartoon based off the actions of a Socialist political movement. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

    But as for the whole Rommel bit, Rommel was one of the leading Generals who saw Hitler for what he was and what they were doing and tried to stop it and even went as far as trying to assassinate Hitler. Rommel was in fact a very honor bound adversary to Patton, they did in fact have a great respect each other in real life. So in fairness to the show, choosing Rommel is the equivalent of choosing the best of the bad. He was a brilliant tactician and a great leader of men. It just so happens that he was German so he joined with his country. But did you know that he also never officially joined the Nazi party. He was allowed to stay because of his skill in tank warfare, and the loyalty he held for the Motherland and the loyalty that he had from his men. So being compared to Rommel is not really a bad thing, Himmler YES! Rommel not so much.
    Small history lessen is over, we now return to the regularly scheduled program.

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    Re: Gundam Build Divers

    Also Japanese are huge Germanophiles and aren't too squamish about some of the symbolism in the same way as people in the west.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Dom Tropen MS-09D View Post
    Also Japanese are huge Germanophiles and aren't too squamish about some of the symbolism in the same way as people in the west.
    I wonder f*ckin' why.....Not like the Nazi surrender ended up with terrible things done to Japan. Oh, wait. They did. One of the A-Bombs meant for Berlin got dropped on Nagasaki or Hiroshima.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Exia View Post
    I wonder f*ckin' why.....Not like the Nazi surrender ended up with terrible things done to Japan. Oh, wait. They did. One of the A-Bombs meant for Berlin got dropped on Nagasaki or Hiroshima.
    Philes as in liking, having affection to Germanic things, not Phobes as in disliking, rejecting. I think you missed what I meant.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Dom Tropen MS-09D View Post
    Philes as in liking, having affection to Germanic things, not Phobes as in disliking, rejecting. I think you missed what I meant.
    No. I took a sardonic approach to my reply.

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    I am cautiously optimistic. The Prologue gave me a lot of hope after reading the synopsis, but there are still a lot of little things that worry me such as the director of Try coming back.

    First things first, the inclusion of later series like AGE and Reconguista are great and really diversify the look of the Gunpla in the show. I've already pre-ordered both the Magnum and the Red Beret.
    The 00 Diver on the other hand...looks a little bit lazy. But then again, I was never a huge fan of the 00 suits so I'm not too fussed.

    I predicted in the past that the Battlogue shorts was a testing ground for different ideas on how to do a season three, and the capture the Flag MS really reminds me of the second episode of Battlogue where Sakai and Yumma hunt down the Sinanju. I really dig the strategy involved in the fights, though they don't do the whole 10v10 thing too often as it would mean an even bigger cast than Try. x_x Keep it limited to very special fights.

    The characters shown in the prologue seem pretty cool, though I won't get too attached as they aren't the protagonists of the series proper. The real MCs shown at the end seem alright, gonna have to wait until I see more to make a final judgement.
    I hear the Non-Human avatars are contentious, but I don't mind them since it is the internet and all. Though I will admit it took some getting used to.

    I'm super curious as to what timeline this show takes place in. I originally assumed that it was set some time after Try, but the fact that the Gunpla interface looks a lot closer to "Gunpla Beginning G" is really throwing me off.

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    "Gundam Build Divers Anime's Promo Video, Theme Song Artists, April 3 Premiere Revealed"

    Four and a half weeks left to go until the premiere. The hype is building~

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    hmmm...somethings itching in my brain about all this...just don't know why...hmmmm

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    It bugs me how apparently all competitors here are all apparently creating their best, we should expect roughly equal, mobile suits even if the actual suits in the timeline wouldn't be remotely equal...

    But, we can see within 2 minutes of this clip, apparently the protagonist can take 4 direct shots to the chest with 0 damage and just a single shot from him basically destroys any opponent.

    If the ultra powerful Gundams are that impossibly powerful compared to any other option that any competitor could possibly bring to the field and no doubt they all cost roughly the same off-the-shelf (and even if they didn't, no one who wasn't willing to pay top dollar would remotely make it to the big competitions or be accepted onto any team headed there). We really should be seeing nothing but competitions of the super ultra powerful Gundam models that are completely immune to being damaged and able to take out anything but other ultra powerful Gundam models in a single hit.


    Yeah, it would be boring, but that's what you would actually get if you actually set up the game in such a way. Just like has happened with every PvP or often even PvE Gundam game where the ones with the best stats are all that get used by the best players. So make the thing internally consistent with the rules of the world you set up.

    And if you don't want to do that, then don't make the rules of your in universe game where if one player gets the drop on another and gets off multiple direct shots, it actually takes that player out and isn't some minor inconvenient "wake up call" to turn around and effortlessly take out the player who got the drop with a single easy shot. Make it so that everyone has roughly the same power regardless of what model they are using and victory comes through visually demonstrable skill, luck and strategy rather than just mowing through the competition because you have the super elite mecha that is so vastly superior to all of your opponents' that you can't possibly lose no matter how much you bumble and fumble... Especially when the rules you have set up for your world shouldn't allow for that or, at least, should have given everyone the same opportunity to have that same weapon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jaster-jesek View Post
    It bugs me how apparently all competitors here are all apparently creating their best, we should expect roughly equal, mobile suits even if the actual suits in the timeline wouldn't be remotely equal...

    But, we can see within 2 minutes of this clip, apparently the protagonist can take 4 direct shots to the chest with 0 damage and just a single shot from him basically destroys any opponent.

    If the ultra powerful Gundams are that impossibly powerful compared to any other option that any competitor could possibly bring to the field and no doubt they all cost roughly the same off-the-shelf (and even if they didn't, no one who wasn't willing to pay top dollar would remotely make it to the big competitions or be accepted onto any team headed there). We really should be seeing nothing but competitions of the super ultra powerful Gundam models that are completely immune to being damaged and able to take out anything but other ultra powerful Gundam models in a single hit.


    Yeah, it would be boring, but that's what you would actually get if you actually set up the game in such a way. Just like has happened with every PvP or often even PvE Gundam game where the ones with the best stats are all that get used by the best players. So make the thing internally consistent with the rules of the world you set up.

    And if you don't want to do that, then don't make the rules of your in universe game where if one player gets the drop on another and gets off multiple direct shots, it actually takes that player out and isn't some minor inconvenient "wake up call" to turn around and effortlessly take out the player who got the drop with a single easy shot. Make it so that everyone has roughly the same power regardless of what model they are using and victory comes through visually demonstrable skill, luck and strategy rather than just mowing through the competition because you have the super elite mecha that is so vastly superior to all of your opponents' that you can't possibly lose no matter how much you bumble and fumble... Especially when the rules you have set up for your world shouldn't allow for that or, at least, should have given everyone the same opportunity to have that same weapon.
    You know that the entire Gundam franchise exists just to sell toys and plastic models to children right? Of course the brightly colored, main protagonist Gundam is going to be invincible and destroy countless cannon fodder mobile suits. It makes kids want it even more.

    It's why Superman is so popular, and why Hulk Hogan and John Cena are in the Wrestling world. Kids love the brightly coloured, Superman-esque main character hero Gundams who overcomes all odds and smashes through all the enemies. Heck, it's why the protagonists of all the Build Fighter/Gunpla Builders/Build Divers series have all been school kids. It's the ultimate fantasy trip for them.

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    Sorry if I am coming off a bit jaded and dismissive of your thoughts Jaster, just trying to be realistic about it/playing Devil's Advocate. The Gundam franchise, much like Transformers, Star Wars, etc, really is all about selling toys to kids. Just because they occasionally throw us something like 08th Team or Stargazer where things are more realistic and have actual stakes/skill/tactics doesn't mean that's gonna be the norm. Kids love to see the Big Hero fight through the odds and Superman/Hulk their way through everything. That's why we get Super OP mechas like the Building Build Gundam and this new 00 Diver. We might find it boring and unrealistic as adults, but the kids love it, and they are the target audience, especially in these series (Build Fighters/Divers).
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    As the premiere of Divers is swiftly approaching, I was curious about what kind of mobile suits people would want to see spotlighted.

    As the Prologue has revealed, titles as recent as Thunderbolt are on the table, and I suspect most people's preferences will be based on which Gunpla they want to buy in future.

    As for myself, I would really like for either Gundam X2 or Gundam Spiegel to appear. <3

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ginga Bishōnen View Post
    You know that the entire Gundam franchise exists just to sell toys and plastic models to children right? Of course the brightly colored, main protagonist Gundam is going to be invincible and destroy countless cannon fodder mobile suits. It makes kids want it even more.

    It's why Superman is so popular, and why Hulk Hogan and John Cena are in the Wrestling world. Kids love the brightly coloured, Superman-esque main character hero Gundams who overcomes all odds and smashes through all the enemies. Heck, it's why the protagonists of all the Build Fighter/Gunpla Builders/Build Divers series have all been school kids. It's the ultimate fantasy trip for them.

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    Sorry if I am coming off a bit jaded and dismissive of your thoughts Jaster, just trying to be realistic about it/playing Devil's Advocate. The Gundam franchise, much like Transformers, Star Wars, etc, really is all about selling toys to kids. Just because they occasionally throw us something like 08th Team or Stargazer where things are more realistic and have actual stakes/skill/tactics doesn't mean that's gonna be the norm. Kids love to see the Big Hero fight through the odds and Superman/Hulk their way through everything. That's why we get Super OP mechas like the Building Build Gundam and this new 00 Diver. We might find it boring and unrealistic as adults, but the kids love it, and they are the target audience, especially in these series (Build Fighters/Divers).

    Here is the thing though... wouldn't one stand to sell more toys if you made all the toys seem cool instead of making some of the toys look like complete crap?

    What you express is generally true in Gundam series for a reason. The premise is usually that the Gundam is a unique, ultra-high tech, super expensive thing made with the best everything and it goes against an army of cheap, mass-produced identical opponents that naturally cannot keep up. Generally on top of that it is stated that the hero is some sort of super human and the enemies are barely trained soldiers who aren't much better than an average person. And when that is the premise for the series and so in such cases, the situation you describe is fine. There actually ARE "fodder".

    But that's not the case in the Gundam Build series. The premise doesn't allow for "fodder" to even exist.

    Every single model that appears on screen is a model that was built by an expert. And while perhaps some very advanced techniques might give one a slight edge, no one is using an off-the-shelf barely cobbled together machine. Moreover, each one is being controlled by someone who is good enough to be on an elite championship team. Every model can and should be completely unique and capable of being quite good.

    So it creates a fundamental problem if it is demonstrated that the "heroes" are only winning because somehow the mobile suit they are controlling is effectively invincible and effortlessly one-shots opponents. Because it isn't like the Gundam going up against a worthless Zaku... it is far more like if in a fight in G Fighter the Shining Gundam just sort of stumbled and tripped its way onto the battlefield, just stood there not even bothering to defend itself against the attacks from another country's Gundam for a moment which left no damage at all and was hardly even an inconvenience and then just sort of pointed at that other Gundam and it blew up.

    It would destroy the whole concept of the show then and certainly does now.


    Now, on some level it doesn't seem as much so in this situation because you are thinking of the original Mobile Suits in their original context and comparing their power levels based on those shows. But that creates a fundamental problem with the entire concept of the show-- if the model of a Bau is as weak compared to the model of a Gundam X, then why on earth would a competitor who is good enough to be on a championship team in the first place-- hell, ANY competitor ever actually choose to make a "fodder" mobile suit and enter it into the contest when it cost them exactly the same in time, money and effort to get the model of something a hundred fold more powerful and enter it into battle instead?


    Now, if the premise of the show is that they are all models and their power is based purely on how well they are built and so technically someone could go in there with a super lovingly crafted Waff (two steps down from a Zaku I) and would just completely dominate a stock, tossed together Gundam Exia despite the fact that a real Waff would have no chance against a Gundam Exia ever... well then, it is fine. The company can then draw upon their entire history of mobile suit designs and make interesting and cool variants of any number of them, even if they simply appear as background characters, and it is perfectly understandable that not everyone is going in there with Queblys and Shinajus and Os (like what happens when you play Gundam Online) but rather one will see a large variety of mobile suits out there.

    But if the writers and animators completely forget that this is the reality and treat the suits as though their threat, ability and impact directly reflects how those actual mobile suits would measure up, then it destroys the entire premise of the show by creating an irreconcilable massive plothole in regards to anyone who would even think of competing choosing to use a "fodder" suit at all.
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    Well the new series is almost upon us and I have to say so far from what I've been reading I am cautiously optimistic. My only real concern is if they pull a SAO. I am not positive this will happen but given that this new Gundam Series has VR elements involved it makes me nervous.

    Another thing I'm finding hopeful is that we might actually get a build series in the states soon, IE Divers. Again I am not 100% accurate like I am with the SAO-itis deal, but I'm just getting that vibe. It may, It may not, but tbh I think it would be a boon for both anime in general and for gunpla sales in the states mainstream if it showed up on a saturday morning block, (which the Build series is perfect for XD) but well see. Who knows. If it does then awesome, maybe it will open the doors to have more gunpla and more gundam in the states whole sale. If not, oh well well still get to see it XD

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    I'd be irritated if they went SAO. But I'm not going to lie I would probably still get the kits lol... I hope the Adele, Sazabi (as an MG!?) and some F91 kits show up.


 

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