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  • The Phantom Menance

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  • Attack of the Clones

    1 2.56%
  • Revenge of the Sith

    4 10.26%
  • A New Hope

    5 12.82%
  • The Empire Striked Back

    25 64.10%
  • Return of the Jedi

    8 20.51%
  • The Force Awakens

    2 5.13%
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeta View Post
    ^I take it that you are a Legends fan then? That's fine. It was thanks to Legends that we got some amazing material like the X-Wing books, the Thrawn trilogy, the Darth Bane trilogy, and Knight of the Old Republic. Granted, there was also a lot of mediocre material and some, for a lack of a better phrase, really crappy material that one would have sift through in order to find the gems worth searching for.

    I never got the impression that The Last Jedi had an SJW agenda behind it. I think people just conflated this movie with SJWs in order find reason on why this movie didn't resonate with them when really the true issue is that The Last Jedi had some pretty awful writing.

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    YA I guess you could call me a legends fan. I read splinter in the minds eye when it came out, as well as the Dark Fleet/Thrawn Heir to the Throne, by Timothy Zahn. I did get tired of reading after a while because it got to the point of. Dark Syith arives Luke tries to fight him, Luke has to "Find himself" Luke wins....next story repeat.Like you said some rather crappy stories and what not. But they were still in line with the original vision. Then the "Side stories" like Jabbas palace and the Solo trilogy and Bounty Hunters tales and what not.

    As for the SJW stuff. Face it Ray is a Mary Sue character. She can do no wrong, everything works out perfectly for her. She has never failed or "fell on her face" she is "Perfect" and she learned how to fight with a lightsaber in what 2.5 seconds of picking one up?? Really a Knight of Ren, student of Luke Skywalker trained for years in the art of the lightsaber and she can just pick one up and BAM! she wins, not a scratch. But a master gets his ass kicked??? WTF??? Heck even Luke had to go to Yoda for months to even attempt to face Vader, and even then he lost the first real fight he had with him, before he knew he was his Father. (The fight in Return of the Jedi, Luke won but stopped to try and save him.) Ray never touched a lightsaber and took on the equivalent of a Master and won easily.??!!??

    You did not see the SJW agenda in the Last Jedi?? Really did you watch or listen to the entire casino scene? I could go on about the pandering through the entire move. Heck even the producer, writer, Disney, and Director all said that it was "to change the way the Star Wars universe was established" They said the it was full of Social Justice and was geared to "empower" women.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gundammonkey View Post
    As for the SJW stuff. Face it Ray is a Mary Sue character. She can do no wrong, everything works out perfectly for her. She has never failed or "fell on her face" she is "Perfect" and she learned how to fight with a lightsaber in what 2.5 seconds of picking one up?? Really a Knight of Ren, student of Luke Skywalker trained for years in the art of the lightsaber and she can just pick one up and BAM! she wins, not a scratch. But a master gets his ass kicked??? WTF??? Heck even Luke had to go to Yoda for months to even attempt to face Vader, and even then he lost the first real fight he had with him, before he knew he was his Father. (The fight in Return of the Jedi, Luke won but stopped to try and save him.) Ray never touched a lightsaber and took on the equivalent of a Master and won easily.??!!??

    You did not see the SJW agenda in the Last Jedi?? Really did you watch or listen to the entire casino scene? I could go on about the pandering through the entire move. Heck even the producer, writer, Disney, and Director all said that it was "to change the way the Star Wars universe was established" They said the it was full of Social Justice and was geared to "empower" women.
    Again, all of that can attributed to just bad writing. Let's just both agree that The Last Jedi had some pretty glaring issues.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeta View Post
    Again, all of that can attributed to just bad writing. Let's just both agree that The Last Jedi had some pretty glaring issues.
    Well yes I would agree that it was a glaring issue. Because that would be inclusive and full of diversity bla bla bla..

    As for the writing, ya it was horrid at best. They painted themselves into so many corners and had to use "Plot armor" to get out it wasn't funny. Lets hope that J.J. can fix what they f'ked up so badly.
    I liked what his original ideas were going to be before he was pulled off of the team and went on to other movies. I really liked what he did with Star Trek, yes the second was a big let down but the first one was rather cool twist without destroying the entire franchise.


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    The fact Rey didn't lose a hand in the second movie was bad enough for me. Everyone knows in the second movie a hand is lost.

    But more seriously, the game looks good. Personally hoping for some sort of customization for the MC, be it just costume/weapon changes or whatever. I just like making characters that look like me. It's an ego thing.

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    I was going to post one of my trademark essay length posts eviscerating Disney-era Star Wars, and all the ways Disney has completely failed the franchise with their bad retcons, Mary Sues, and all round terrible writing, but, frankly, Star Wars is no longer worth the effort. Especially, since the rough draft of my intended post was quickly turning into a goddamn book, and I really didn't want to put that much effort into a subject I no longer give much of a crap about. Thanks Disney. On that note, now that you've assimilated Fox (the production company, not the network), please don't ruin the Orville like you ruined Star Wars. Seriously, that would not be cool.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeta-G View Post
    I was going to post one of my trademark essay length posts eviscerating Disney-era Star Wars, and all the ways Disney has completely failed the franchise with their bad retcons, Mary Sues, and all round terrible writing, but, frankly, Star Wars is no longer worth the effort. Especially, since the rough draft of my intended post was quickly turning into a goddamn book, and I really didn't want to put that much effort into a subject I no longer give much of a crap about. Thanks Disney. On that note, now that you've assimilated Fox (the production company, not the network), please don't ruin the Orville like you ruined Star Wars. Seriously, that would not be cool.
    You've pretty much nailed it on the head for me. I used to be angry at what Disney did, then I learned to just laugh at what a trainwreck it's become...and now that the laughter has stopped, I find I just don't care what they do anymore.

    Star Wars finished for me after Episode VI.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeta-G View Post
    I was going to post one of my trademark essay length posts eviscerating Disney-era Star Wars, and all the ways Disney has completely failed the franchise with their bad retcons, Mary Sues, and all round terrible writing, but, frankly, Star Wars is no longer worth the effort. Especially, since the rough draft of my intended post was quickly turning into a goddamn book, and I really didn't want to put that much effort into a subject I no longer give much of a crap about. Thanks Disney. On that note, now that you've assimilated Fox (the production company, not the network), please don't ruin the Orville like you ruined Star Wars. Seriously, that would not be cool.
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    I think they are on the way to killing Orville. Have you noticed the change from season 1 to now? Comedy, edgy, funny and a spoof on all things Star Trek and a bit of Star Wars as well. Now fluffy feelings and all serious and "thought provoking" Don't forget the on going theme of "how put upon women are, being forced to be changed into men and they are worthless bla.,...bla....bla" Every new episode is all about "learning about the feelings of others" WTF happened to the family guy style humor?? I thought the show was going to stay funny and light hearted. Nope that would be to much like right. Sad, so very sad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Exia View Post
    The fact Rey didn't lose a hand in the second movie was bad enough for me. Everyone knows in the second movie a hand is lost.

    But more seriously, the game looks good. Personally hoping for some sort of customization for the MC, be it just costume/weapon changes or whatever. I just like making characters that look like me. It's an ego thing.
    What? you and ego in the same sentence? No say it isn't so! LOL I have a feeling that there will be customization of the MC. To many people are like you, they want the MC to be this way or that way.


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    @gundammonkey: Before you think I'm your ally on this too much, you should probably know that I'm the sort of leftie that right-wingers' nightmares are probably made of.

    As for Star Wars, once again, I was tempted to respond in more detail as is my way, but Star Wars really isn't worth the effort anymore. That being said, let's get one thing straight: Star Wars has always had an underlying leftist political message promoting diversity from the very beginning. Take a good look at the Empire and the Rebellion as depicted in A New Hope (let alone the original trilogy as a whole, which makes it even more obvious). Notice anything about the two sides' relative diversity or lack thereof in comparison to one another? Here's a hint: one side is all human dudes, the other is not, and that wasn't a creative accident in the 70s. Now that we've gotten that out of the way, Disney has still completely failed Star Wars as a franchise with their bad retcons, Mary Sues, and all round terrible writing in my honest opinion. As for the Orville, it is perfect as is. If Disney ruins it, it won't be until a hypothetical season 3 at the earliest, since The Orville season 2 was written and filmed before the Mouse ate the Fox.
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    Zeta-G you don’t strike me as a card carrying Communist/Socialist. But you very might well be. But either way not here to discuss the merits either for or against what ever form of Government you prefer to live under.
    I was just pointing out that the nimrods who wrote directed and destroyed Star Wars all said that it was purposely full of Social Justice and virtue signals about male patriarchy and to empower women who have been under represented in the Star Wars universe. The problem is not that they (women) were undervalued or that they wanted to make the first ever female hero. It was that they were forcing it down our collective throats and in the process destroying the very product they were trying to build on.

    Ray could have been so much more. She had the capacity to be a new Ripley, or Sarah Connor but they went the Mary Sue route and ruined any chance they had with what could have been a great character. And that thing called Rose WTF talk about being shoehorn into a movie for no real reason. Nothing special about her, nothing to make you empathetic to her good or bad. She was just plane vanilla On a saltine cracker. That is what I was pointing out.

    I have a feeling that we would actually have a wonderful and stimulating conversation about the difference between a Constitutional Republic and a socialist/communist government. And or the differences in the Constitution versus the Communist Manifesto That is as long as you are able to talk and not blow a gasket and start yelling and ranting. Those kind of leftist nut jobs are as Solinski Would call them “useful idiots” and you don’t (as so far) strike me as an idiot. Idealist yes, and idiot no.
    But that kind of discussion is for a different platform all together.

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    As much as I love debating/discussing politics, I'm not getting into any debate/discussion over political ideology here (it's not the place). I only mentioned my leftist political alignment in my previous post because I felt it was worth pointing since Disney's go to defense mechanism seems to be to tar and feather anyone who makes even the slightest legitimate criticism of the new Star Wars movies as automatically being some sort of unhinged ultra right-wing Nazi who just blindly hates the new movies because they happen to star women and/or ethnic minorities. Some critics of the new movies almost certainly are hateful bigots/useful idiots (that's just the way the world is, unfortunately), but most aren't. Most critics of the new movies, whatever their political leanings, see the Disney Star Wars movies for they are: poorly written movies.

    Leia is a feminist/leftist icon and, despite that, pretty much every conservative Star Wars fan I know absolutely loves Leia's character (at least before Disney happened); of course, many of these same people also hate Rey for being the poorly written Mary Sue of a character that she is too. It's much the same with leftist fans. It's usually just the paid shills who defend Rey's characterization; even the fans who genuinely like the Disney Star Wars films tend to recognize that the writing for Rey leaves something to be desired. Like you said, Rey could have been the next Ripley or Sarah Connor (two more feminist/leftist pop culture icons that plenty of conservatives love), but the Mary Sue level writing for Rey killed any chance of that happening. In short, I'm more or less with you on Rey, despite the huge differences in our political leanings. The Orville season 2 is a different matter entirely (ditto for many other things).
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    See we do agree!

    Although I (personally) don't like to put characters (movie or book) into a political box, IE left or right side. I might have miss worded my self or not gotten the point across that I meant too. The funny thing I found was that they were toting Ray to be this new or :First of its kind" women Hero! Someone who will finally bring women into the same space and men when it comes to female leads. Yet the forget about Lea, Ripley, Sarah, or Selene even (Underworld) there have been a lot of women in leading roles that everyone loves but apparently they didn't count. The mouse has an bade memory problem, and with the death of Star Wars and now the first of many blows to the Marvel Universe (Captain Bland and boring....I mean Marvel)I don't think they are anywhere near done showing the world the errors of our ways. Stand by for more force fed unequal "Equality".


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    @gundammonkey: It's not necessarily the characters' own in-universe political leanings that make them feminist icons, it's what their creation/depiction represented at the time that defines them as such.

    I suspect the line Spider-Man had in Avengers: Infinity War explains a lot: "Did you ever see that really old movie Aliens?" Spider-Man didn't take it as a given that Stark had seen f***ing Aliens of all things. I don't care how goddamn old or young you are, you should have seen Aliens at some point in your life, especially if you identify as any sort of (sci-fi) geek. Ditto for the original Alien, Terminator 1 & 2, Star Wars OT, Superman I, some random Star Trek TOS and TNG episodes/movies, and at least one random Japanese Godzilla movie. These are all well-known classic mainstream bedrocks of sci-fi geek culture and should be the bare minimum. Especially with the internet being a thing, it's not like these kids had no way of knowing things existed before they were born. I don't know, maybe I'm weird, but I was aware of and had seen/read plenty of things* made long before my time without the benefit/convenience of the internet to guide me. People really need to stop acting like the world didn't exist before they were born. It's not a new problem, but it's particularly irritating now that there's the internet.

    *The original John Carter of Mars trilogy of books springs to mind as one example; given how old those books are though, I am not as surprised on that one. Still it pained me when the movie didn't do so well and certain idiots decried it as being derivative of Superman, Star Wars, and/or Avatar; I was thinking "you stupid mother-f***ers, the book this movie is an adaptation of is literally 100 years old at this point, so if you don't realize that it was the other way around, and those movies were derivative of John Carter (especially when the creators are on record as specifically being inspired by either the JC books and/or things that directly credited the JC books as inspirations), then there's a very good chance that you're a goddamn moron!" Then when people would point that the John Carter books are literally the foundation of pretty much all modern sci-fi to these dumbasses, they'd say stupid shit like "well they should have changed things about the story when they adapted it then, so people wouldn't think it was a copy". I can't even. Some people are so stupid they should have been exposed at birth for the good of the gene pool.

    In other news: *raises cane into the air for dramatic effect* "Get off my goddamn lawn, you young punks!"

    Anyway I've talked more about Star Wars in the last day or two than I have in long while and I really don't care about it at this point, so I'm checking myself out of this conversation. The rest of you can go back to following your Sith master, Darth Mickey, or whatever it is you do here.
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    I don't think you even read what I wrote, but it's all good, we agree on the big parts.

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    I did. I was responding to the putting characters in political boxes bit for the first line and the rest of it was directed at the women in leading roles who apparently don't count bit. Having gotten that out of the way, I'm really done with this thread now. Zeta-G out.

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