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RileyWarfield
February 3, 2016, 7:58 AM
Well, considering we have everything from a car thread to a plane thread, why not? Dare I say, why not?!
http://www.fprado.com/armorsite/Abrams_Pics/M1A1-Firing-07.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B9Q8TOsCYAATjsE.jpg
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/WsVzisa1qDc/maxresdefault.jpg
http://www.dreamhobby.cn/items/2265/h2.jpg

Zaku
February 3, 2016, 8:40 AM
mmmm yea. i LOVE tanks. bad ass.

RileyWarfield
February 3, 2016, 8:44 AM
Bad ass indeed, Zaku.

Dom Tropen MS-09D
February 3, 2016, 9:08 AM
Out of the way plebs!

Best tank coming through!
http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/thempirestwilight/images/1/1e/Centmkii1975snh5cb8.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20130501195614

Iris_Aznable
February 3, 2016, 9:29 AM
I loved tanks, I'm a fan of the Abrams, Challenger II, and Leopard. I haven't really kept up on the newer stuff though.
Also you missed an opportunity : Tank Tread

RileyWarfield
February 3, 2016, 6:32 PM
Out of the way plebs!

Best tank coming through!
http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/thempirestwilight/images/1/1e/Centmkii1975snh5cb8.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20130501195614
Dom, I can't really argue with your logic of loving the Centurion.

A_Lurker
February 3, 2016, 8:01 PM
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k509/Mech42Ace1/Assorted%20Memes/imagejpg4_zpscf31518f.jpg (http://s1113.photobucket.com/user/Mech42Ace1/media/Assorted%20Memes/imagejpg4_zpscf31518f.jpg.html)
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k509/Mech42Ace1/Assorted%20Memes/imagejpg9_zps4954a3c9.jpg (http://s1113.photobucket.com/user/Mech42Ace1/media/Assorted%20Memes/imagejpg9_zps4954a3c9.jpg.html)

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k509/Mech42Ace1/image.jpg1_zpsaywzjati.jpg (http://s1113.photobucket.com/user/Mech42Ace1/media/image.jpg1_zpsaywzjati.jpg.html)

RileyWarfield
February 3, 2016, 10:40 PM
Because Russia.

http://static2.fjcdn.com/comments/Ahhhhhhhhhh+motherlaaaaaaaand+_72e241c909e0c3a7a8c 8b77065ddcf5f.jpg

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Because Russia.

http://static2.fjcdn.com/comments/Ahhhhhhhhhh+motherlaaaaaaaand+_72e241c909e0c3a7a8c 8b77065ddcf5f.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/7x4zFXp.jpg

Zeon's RedComet
February 3, 2016, 11:23 PM
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/07/Elefant_USAOM-01.jpg

Technically a tank destroyer more than a Main battle tank or what have you but Elefant is a personal favorite of mine, that and it did descend from Ferdinand Porsche's (Yes that Porsche) Tiger prototype that was passed up in favor of the other one so what the hell.

Zeta
February 3, 2016, 11:55 PM
Out of the way plebs!

Best tank coming through!
http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/thempirestwilight/images/1/1e/Centmkii1975snh5cb8.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20130501195614

Hm... I disagree. This is what I think is the best tank is:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1EeSqP5ZWk

Dom Tropen MS-09D
February 4, 2016, 12:04 AM
Hm... I disagree. This is what I think is the best tank is:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1EeSqP5ZWk
Ivan pls.

We all know that T-34 is kinda overrated.

Zeta
February 4, 2016, 12:12 AM
Ivan pls.

We all know that T-34 is kinda overrated.

So is the Sherman, but they both came out as decisive war winners.

RileyWarfield
February 4, 2016, 1:00 AM
As is the Tiger, but you never hear anyone ever say that.

Dom Tropen MS-09D
February 4, 2016, 1:24 AM
So is the Sherman, but they both came out as decisive war winners.
I wouldn't say that Sherman is any where as overrated as the T-34.

Sherman had :

-very good crew layout and escape hatches
-solid gun that functioned well in both anti tank and infantry roles
-standard issue radio and gyro stabilised gun, both features which didn't become standard till after the war in other nations armor
-solid armor all around

T-34, though being solid enough, lacked many of the features that made Sherman so good. Combine that with poor reliability and abundance of German anti tank guns and you get astronomical casualties for the Soviet tankers.

RileyWarfield
February 4, 2016, 1:39 AM
I wouldn't say that Sherman is any where as overrated as the T-34.

Sherman had :

-very good crew layout and escape hatches
-solid gun that functioned well in both anti tank and infantry roles
-standard issue radio and gyro stabilised gun, both features which didn't become standard till after the war in other nations armor
-solid armor all around

T-34, though being solid enough, lacked many of the features that made Sherman so good. Combine that with poor reliability and abundance of German anti tank guns and you get astronomical casualties for the Soviet tankers.
The T-34 was a good tank, it lack some features that made the Sherman a better tank. However the T-34 was the tank that made the German's piss their collective pants when they first encountered it. The sloped armor meant that anything other then 75mm and 88mm anti tank guns or FLaK guns couldn't pen it. Then there was the KV-1 which nothing BUT the FlaK 88 could pen.

Zeta
February 6, 2016, 11:18 PM
-solid gun that functioned well in both anti tank and infantry roles

One of my problems with early Shermans was that the 75mm general purpose was that it was good against Panzer IV's in the North African and Italian campaigns. However when it went up against the Tiger, the Panther, the Jagdpanzer IV, and Jagdpanther after landing in Normandy, it was pathetically outclassed. It wasn't until late in the war that the US Army rolled out the M4A3E8 Sherman "Easy Eight" that mounted a long barreled 76mm high velocity anti-tank gun that could penetrate a Panther or a Tiger at range. Don't get me wrong, I like my Sherman tanks but they had problems due to complacency issues within the US Army generals.

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And yeah the Sherman was reliable, no question about that. Those Detroit motors hardly ever broke down, which can't be said for the Maybach engines of the Panther and Tiger. The final factor that made it a war winner was that it was produced in large numbers almost just as easily as the T-34.

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Speaking of tanks, I seriously wished that this scene was in the dub of Girls und Panzer:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2SJjnyTojo

Anyone else here a fan of Girls und Panzer?

Dom Tropen MS-09D
February 7, 2016, 1:39 PM
http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/thempirestwilight/images/b/bd/M48a3-04.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20131117222512

Posting some unappreciated work horses. Starting with the M48 Patton.

http://wikiwiki.jp/wotanks/?plugin=ref&page=T-54&src=T54_1www_geocities%5B1%5D.jpg

T-54. It, Patton and the Centurion are quite possibly the most combat used tanks of the last sixty years.

http://www.worldwarphotos.info/wp-content/gallery/germany/tanks/panzer3/Panzer_III_tank_2.jpg

Panzer III. It and IV where the true backbone of the Heers armored corps, unfortunately every one always talks about the the big cats :(

http://www.militaryfactory.com/armor/imgs/infantry-tank-mk2-matilda-ii.jpg

Infantry Tank MK II A12 Matilda. It was slow, ugly and poorly designed, but it and its crews fought like hell through the first three years of the war.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-tffaCdQXSg0/TgLxUy-GD6I/AAAAAAAAAZw/CMPJvu6GjmY/s1600/Churchill+Mk+III+011.jpg

Infantry Tank MK IV A22 Churchill. Like the Matilda, it was slow and of rather outdated design. Still, they served with distinction till the very end of the war.

https://peda.net/heinola/perusopetus/koulut/lyseonmaenkoulu/e-opin-oppikirjat/epookki-ylakoulu/kuvat/j1ijlvstm/tta/sivpea:file/download/75f1a616c7ef2b29046d7abc71594ff56b1d335a/StuG_III_Ausf._G.jpg

StuG III. It was the most numerous German SPG of the war, also being the most effective. Here are some Finnish examples participatin a parade around Enso.

Iris_Aznable
February 7, 2016, 4:23 PM
The Shir 1 was a cool tank.

RileyWarfield
February 7, 2016, 7:07 PM
One of my problems with early Shermans was that the 75mm general purpose was that it was good against Panzer IV's in the North African and Italian campaigns. However when it went up against the Tiger, the Panther, the Jagdpanzer IV, and Jagdpanther after landing in Normandy, it was pathetically outclassed. It wasn't until late in the war that the US Army rolled out the M4A3E8 Sherman "Easy Eight" that mounted a long barreled 76mm high velocity anti-tank gun that could penetrate a Panther or a Tiger at range. Don't get me wrong, I like my Sherman tanks but they had problems due to complacency issues within the US Army generals.

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And yeah the Sherman was reliable, no question about that. Those Detroit motors hardly ever broke down, which can't be said for the Maybach engines of the Panther and Tiger. The final factor that made it a war winner was that it was produced in large numbers almost just as easily as the T-34.

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Speaking of tanks, I seriously wished that this scene was in the dub of Girls und Panzer:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2SJjnyTojo

Anyone else here a fan of Girls und Panzer?
-raises hand.-

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Speaking of tanks no one talks about. Here are two of the newest and most advanced MBTs to be put into production. The JGSDF Type 10 Hitomaru, and the South Korean K2 Black Panther!
http://vietnamdefence.com/Uploaded/KTQS/LQ/TTG/MBT/2010/type10-1.jpg
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/hwDtMaCB1vc/maxresdefault.jpg
@Iris: I love the Shir 1, but the Chieftain is always cool!

Zeta
February 7, 2016, 8:40 PM
^Speaking of the Type 10 RileyWarfield:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtsSRNOLj0A

Well, that's one way to make a first impression. Then there's this:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVwzaokMwAg

I just love Yukari. She's definitely one of my favorite characters.

RileyWarfield
February 7, 2016, 8:49 PM
I love that anime. Heh

Zeta
February 7, 2016, 9:06 PM
As do I. It's a fun show. It's basically World of Tanks: The Anime.

RileyWarfield
February 7, 2016, 9:58 PM
As do I. It's a fun show. It's basically World of Tanks: The Anime.
Did you know in Japan Wargaming and the company that made Girls und Panzer did a cross promotion where you could get the tanks from the show?

Zeta
February 7, 2016, 10:24 PM
Did you know in Japan Wargaming and the company that made Girls und Panzer did a cross promotion where you could get the tanks from the show?

I did know that. Those skins are very impractical, but they are very cool.

RileyWarfield
February 7, 2016, 11:14 PM
Do you still play WoT, Zeta?

Zeta
February 8, 2016, 12:15 AM
No I do not as my laptop can't run certain games very well. I've just seen what those skins look like on some let's plays. As an aviator, I would love to play World of Warplanes, just so I can shoot up the skies. Though in order for me to play it effectively, I'd like to get a flight sim set up with a throttle control, yoke, and rudder pedals.

Psyco Diver
February 8, 2016, 4:32 PM
Just got back into Wot after a 6-7 month break, I was playing World of Warships. That said love my T29 but for this thread I will go with the M18 Hellcat for one of my favorites.

Zeta
February 8, 2016, 5:06 PM
^Speaking of World of Warships, I found this glorious Let's Play with Jack, Geoff, and Ryan:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHPXpx6BbTI

Granted it was a sponsored Let's Play, but it was no less fun. Geoff though... he should have been guarding the aircraft carrier.

RileyWarfield
February 9, 2016, 10:22 PM
World of Warships is pretty fun.

Zaku
February 14, 2016, 6:43 PM
i wish i had a RC Tank his cool. or at all. lol.
http://sixtharmygroup.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19597&page=4

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this is neat.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNjp_4jY8pY

RileyWarfield
March 2, 2016, 7:51 PM
Recently, I looked I've various images and the available data for Russia's newest Main Battle Tank, the T-14 Armata. The design is innovative for a tank. Unmanned turret, three main crew housed within an armored capsule inside the hull. The T-14's hull to me resembles a lengthened T-80's, it even uses similar road wheels and tracks. This I cannot fault the Russian's for at all considering this would both reduce production and maintenance. That being said, just because the hull looks like a T-80's doesn't mean it is. The unmanned turret features panels for both a hard and soft kill system to defeat both guided and unguided munitions. As stated previously stated, are housed within an armored capsule inside the hull. To provide them situational awareness, numerous cameras and sensors are mounted to the outside of the hull.

Zeta
March 2, 2016, 10:38 PM
Recently, I looked I've various images and the available data for Russia's newest Main Battle Tank, the T-14 Armata. The design is innovative for a tank. Unmanned turret, three main crew housed within an armored capsule inside the hull. The T-14's hull to me resembles a lengthened T-80's, it even uses similar road wheels and tracks. This I cannot fault the Russian's for at all considering this would both reduce production and maintenance. That being said, just because the hull looks like a T-80's doesn't mean it is. The unmanned turret features panels for both a hard and soft kill system to defeat both guided and unguided munitions. As stated previously stated, are housed within an armored capsule inside the hull. To provide them situational awareness, numerous cameras and sensors are mounted to the outside of the hull.

However, we will have to see if it truly is a war winning tank. In fact quite a few Russian tanks have not proved themselves to effective in combat (looking at you T-54/55). Speaking of tough tanks, here are a few tanks that are REALLY hard to knock out:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kk-tUdJPET0


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYzaxW6zh3U


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YeEHfMXThRs

That story about the two Israeli Centurions is amazing. For 30 hours, those two tanks slugged it out with a of 150 Syrian T-62's and knocked out 60 of them. Sometimes quality is better than quantity.

RileyWarfield
March 3, 2016, 1:24 AM
There is actually a reason for this, Zeta. The Western Allies and their allies focused on making their/our tanks very tough to kill with very long range kill capabilities. The thought at the time, was to hold off a Soviet advance and wait for reinforcements. So tanks like the Chieftain, Challenger I, Abrams, and a few others are bunkers when hull down, and unstoppable juggernauts when moving. Soviet doctrine during the Cold War was nearly the same as it was during the Second World War. Overtake the enemy through numbers. Of course there were exceptions to this rule. Tanks like the Leopard 1, AMX 30, and the IS series.

Zeta
March 3, 2016, 1:42 AM
Noted. Man, I would just love to pick your brain RileyWarfield when it comes to Cold War military history. And you know what? We could complement each other as a master of the ground war (you) and as a master of the air war (me).

RileyWarfield
March 3, 2016, 1:56 AM
-laughs a little.- Thank you for the kind words Zeta, but I am no Master. I do a lot of reading on the internet, listen a really good youtuber, and watch the Tank Museum's youtube channel.

Dom Tropen MS-09D
March 3, 2016, 2:25 AM
However, we will have to see if it truly is a war winning tank. In fact quite a few Russian tanks have not proved themselves to effective in combat (looking at you T-54/55). Speaking of tough tanks, here are a few tanks that are REALLY hard to knock out:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kk-tUdJPET0


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYzaxW6zh3U


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YeEHfMXThRs

That story about the two Israeli Centurions is amazing. For 30 hours, those two tanks slugged it out with a of 150 Syrian T-62's and knocked out 60 of them. Sometimes quality is better than quantity.
T-54/55 and their Chinese clone Type 59 are notoriously poor tanks. They have low profile and highly angled front armor, but are very cramped and cook their poorly stored ammo easily. Also the introduction of HEAT and High velocity penetrators made angled armor far less effective.
Also the poorly trained Syrian conscripts where no match for highly trained professional tankers of the Israeli Army.

RileyWarfield
March 3, 2016, 4:01 AM
Once again, that is also true.

Zeta
March 3, 2016, 9:20 AM
-laughs a little.- Thank you for the kind words Zeta, but I am no Master. I do a lot of reading on the internet, listen a really good youtuber, and watch the Tank Museum's youtube channel.

As do I, but it's always nice to give nice to give compliments ;).

RileyWarfield
April 4, 2016, 3:38 PM
I have a fun idea. Let's say the U.S. military is looking for a replacement for it's aging fleet of M1 Abrams MBTs. Now lets say we have our own vompany looking to get in on this and make ourselves a pretty penny. Basically, what I am saying is, let's build our own MBT. Let's keep it realistic, no Sci Fi technologies, and please no fitting a Russian 125mm gun to it.

Zeta
April 4, 2016, 3:59 PM
I have a fun idea. Let's say the U.S. military is looking for a replacement for it's aging fleet of M1 Abrams MBTs. Now lets say we have our own vompany looking to get in on this and make ourselves a pretty penny. Basically, what I am saying is, let's build our own MBT. Let's keep it realistic, no Sci Fi technologies, and please no fitting a Russian 125mm gun to it.

There are a lot of great things about the Abrams. Great optics, excellent target acquisition packages, great data links... but it does indeed a few issues. That Textron gas turbine guzzles like no other, and that 120mm M256 smooth-bore gun is not as accurate as the British Challenger's gun.

A few things I would do would be to replace the armor with Dorchester Armor (which is upgraded Chobham armor that the Challenger 2 fields), and upgrade the engine so that it's more fuel efficient. I say that because the M1 Abrams only has a range of 289 miles (the Merkava has greater range of 310 miles). Speaking of the Merkava, I would follow the Merkava's design put the engine compartment in front of the crew compartment and a rear escape to better protect the crew. While we're at it, let's add the Challenger 2's 120mm rifled gun.

RileyWarfield
April 4, 2016, 5:25 PM
It really depends on the type of ammo being fired from the guns. We American's prefer firing depleted uranium rods at people. A smooth-bore gun is better for that. The British being British love shooting HE shells at people, a rifled barrel is best for that. However there is a far FAR more mundane reason to keep the 120mm smoothe-bore gun for this tank. You can't actually fire American made ammo out of the British gun. British ammo is a two part ammo and U.S. ammo and by extension any ammo for the Rhienmmetal 120mm is a caseless one part system.

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Basically the U.S. would have to buy stocks of British ammo. On top of retooling manufacturing plants here to make said ammo. Little known fact, it's cheap to replace a gun, not so much the ammo.

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Really it isn't a horrible idea, Zeta. Just practical concerns.

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Actually, how do feel about a diesel electric engine? Run diesel on the move and electric in battle? Kinda like the U-boats.

Zeta
April 4, 2016, 5:41 PM
Alright then, let's just stick with the M256 Rheinmetall gun then for the sake of simplicity.

RileyWarfield
April 4, 2016, 6:02 PM
If we are building a completely new tank or a turret. We could install the long barreled version of Rheinmetall gun. Improved accuracy and penetration.

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I just realized there are a couple of Marines we can ask about a future MBT. Hey Zaku, Gundammonkey, GET IN HERE!!!

Zeta
April 4, 2016, 6:15 PM
A longer barrelled Rheinmetall gun would be great. Even more so if move the turret back a bit if we build it like the Merkava.

Also, Zaku's not going to be of any help as he was in Aviation Ordinance (arming the planes that the USMC use). Not sure what Gundammonkey did during his time in the Corps.

RileyWarfield
April 4, 2016, 6:30 PM
Well crap. Anyway, the Russians look like they have taken that approach in a way with the T-14. The T-14's hull can be modified into several different configurations, like an ACP and IFV.

Zeta
April 4, 2016, 6:34 PM
I think we tried that with an Armoured Vehicle program about 10-12 years ago, but the US military brass decided to cancel it due to logistics and questioning it own needs.

RileyWarfield
April 4, 2016, 6:41 PM
Zeta, you have no idea how often that happens. But I think I know what you are talking about. This vehicle was huge, like the twice the size of the Bradley.

Zeta
April 4, 2016, 6:54 PM
Leave it to the Russians to come up with a crazy idea like that.

RileyWarfield
April 4, 2016, 8:12 PM
This was the U.S. program lol. And yeah... The Russians even built a flying tank...

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Zeta, hydropneumatic suspension?

Zeta
April 4, 2016, 8:24 PM
Is that good? I'll admit, I'm not too familiar with lot of the finite technology and mechanics that go into tanks. I can tell what can be good for planes (like fighters and bombers), but tanks are a whole 'nother animal.

RileyWarfield
April 4, 2016, 8:33 PM
Here is the Wikipedia page on it. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydropneumatic_suspension

Zeta
April 4, 2016, 8:48 PM
Well here's the question: is the suspension going to be able to take the weight? If we keep the weight of this new tank the same as the M1 Abrams, maintain the same power-to-weight ratio of 26.9 HP per ton, and keep the same top speed of 42 mph, will a hydro-pneumatic suspension be able to handle the stresses, punishment, forces and weight? Currently the M1 Abrams uses a torsion bar system, and it can take the sort driving that the US forces dish out. The Challenger 2 does indeed use a hydro-pneumatic system, but it is slower (37 mph) and has a lower power-to-weight ratio (19.2 HP per ton).

Darzer
April 4, 2016, 9:03 PM
I think when Tanks come to the end of their service in the military, I believe they should given a proper last send off...like being loaded up with explosives dropped on the enemy.

RileyWarfield
April 4, 2016, 9:03 PM
The K2 Black Panther is lighter in weight then the Abrams, but can reach similar speeds. So, I imagine that it would be able too. One other benefit of the hydro pneumatic suspension would be the given lower profile because you wouldn't have torsion bars running all the way through the hull.

Zeta
April 4, 2016, 9:12 PM
Alright then, let's put a hydro-pneumatic suspension on this tank.

RileyWarfield
April 4, 2016, 9:26 PM
Right-oh. engine wise, a multi fuel power pack? Diesel power pack? Or a diesel electric power pack?

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Looked it up. The K2 Black Panther is around 13 tons lighter then the Abrams. Honestly I am tempted to try and lighten out tank by that much.

Zeta
April 4, 2016, 9:33 PM
I would go multi-fuel with a plug-and-play engine. The current M1 Abrams can actually swap out the Honeywell AGT 1500 turbine engine for a diesel engine. There are also plans to upgrade the engine to make the gas turbine much more fuel efficient (about 50% more efficient at idle and 33% more efficient when running). A plug-and-play option would allow one to be flexible in their operations and spending.

RileyWarfield
April 4, 2016, 9:42 PM
Ah yeah, I forgot about that.

Efreet_masterrace
April 4, 2016, 10:54 PM
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160405/3df83f705af014ab9e146fe469b39df9.jpg

RileyWarfield
April 6, 2016, 8:47 PM
Where were we, Zeta? Oh yes, we were building a tank. So we agreed on the gun, engine, and suspension. Now, what kind of armor would be best?

Zeta
April 6, 2016, 9:25 PM
I say we go with Dorchester armor... which is just upgraded Chobham armor. However, let's add a TUSK package on it like on the M1A2 Abrams.

RileyWarfield
April 6, 2016, 9:52 PM
Tusk with the CROWS system?

Zeta
April 6, 2016, 9:57 PM
Oooooh, now there's an idea. Add it to the list.

RileyWarfield
April 6, 2016, 10:03 PM
-Adds it to the list.- Some reason, I thought about adding both Hellfire missiles and a 40mm grenade launcher to the turret.

Zeta
April 6, 2016, 10:16 PM
I think the Hellfire missile would be too much. Now, a 20mm grenade launcher on the other hand would be perfect. You could use for anti-infantry or the launch smoke rounds.

RileyWarfield
April 6, 2016, 10:37 PM
Let's make certain it is a universal mounting bracket. That way you can still mount a M240 not all of the takes in the platoon need be armed with the 40mm grenade launcher.

Zeta
April 9, 2016, 12:00 AM
Taking a break from building a tank, I got to ask you something Riley. Seeing as you're a fan of tanks, did enjoy Girls und Panzer?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9c8C2K-TtE

Pop quiz: identify all of the tanks used Kuromorimine in the video. Bonus points: identify all of the tanks in the video used by Ooarai.

RileyWarfield
April 10, 2016, 2:43 AM
I loved Girls und Panzer! And challenge accepted!. We have on the Kuromorimine side, Jagdpanzer IV, Jagdtiger, Jagdpanther, Panther Ausf. G, a Tiger II, A Maus, A looks like an Elefant (Ferdinand), Tiger I, Panzerkampfwagen III Ausf. J. For Ooarai they use a M3 Lee, Sturmgeschutz III, Char B1-Bis, Type 89B I-Go, Type 3 Chi-Nu, Tiger Porsche prototype (No idea how they managed to find it, unless it is a Elefant rebuild. But that is REALLY unlikely.), A Panzerkampfwagen IV with the short barrelled 75mm gun then upgraded to the 75mm long barreled gun, and finally the Czechoslovakian Panzerkampfwagen 38(t) later retrofitted into a Hetzer.

BONUS ROUND! Pravda uses a KV-2, IS-2, T-34-85, and T-34-76. BOOOYAH!

Zeta
April 10, 2016, 3:02 AM
I loved Girls und Panzer! And challenge accepted!. We have on the Kuromorimine side, Jagdpanzer IV, Jagdtiger, Jagdpanther, Panther Ausf. G, a Tiger II, A Maus, A looks like an Elefant (Ferdinand), Tiger I, Panzerkampfwagen III Ausf. J. For Ooarai they use a M3 Lee, Sturmgeschutz III, Char B1-Bis, Type 89B I-Go, Type 3 Chi-Nu, Tiger Porsche prototype (No idea how they managed to find it, unless it is a Elefant rebuild. But that is REALLY unlikely.), A Panzerkampfwagen IV with the short barrelled 75mm gun then upgraded to the 75mm long barreled gun, and finally the Czechoslovakian Panzerkampfwagen 38(t) later retrofitted into a Hetzer.

BONUS ROUND! Pravda uses a KV-2, IS-2, T-34-85, and T-34-76. BOOOYAH!

[Jaw drops all the way to the floor]

I think I'm in love.

And yeah, I found the show to kind of fun really. I really want to see the movie. Apparently Ooarai is supposed to go up against a college level team that fields M26 Pershings (you'd think Saunders Academy would have at least one in their arsenal considering that they field American tanks in case they had Pravda or Kuromorimine).

RileyWarfield
April 10, 2016, 3:05 AM
[Jaw drops all the way to the floor]

I think I'm in love.

And yeah, I found the show to kind of fun really. I really want to see the movie. Apparently Ooarai is supposed to go up against a college level team that fields M26 Pershings (you'd think Saunders Academy would have at least one in their arsenal considering that they field American tanks in case they had Pravda or Kuromorimine).

I can understand why Saunders didn't use the Pershings. Shermans outnumbered them and there are tons of spare parts for those lying around.

Zeta
April 10, 2016, 3:14 AM
I can understand why Saunders didn't use the Pershings. Shermans outnumbered them and there are tons of spare parts for those lying around.

I guess. But still, even with the Firefly and any 76mm cannon Shermans they may around (I know that they have a 76(W) version) have around, they're outmatched when comes to firepower. Even the T34-85 has more firepower than most of the Shermans that Saunders has.

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My guess would be is that Saunders probably has one, but it's either in storage, or needs to be restored to working order.

RileyWarfield
April 10, 2016, 3:20 AM
According to some source that I can't remember. Saunders somehow retrofitted the Abrams' 120mm to a Sherman. How, I don't know and I am scared to know. lol

Dom Tropen MS-09D
April 10, 2016, 3:25 AM
According to some source that I can't remember. Saunders somehow retrofitted the Abrams' 120mm to a Sherman. How, I don't know and I am scared to know. lol
Wat?
http://i.imgur.com/tx6hbg0.gif

I mean, the Israelis fitted and 105 MM French gun into a Sherman, so i guess it could be possible.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Sherman

Zeta
April 10, 2016, 3:28 AM
Are you kidding me?! That has got to be illegal. According to some rules I've read about Sensha-dou (and like you from a source I can't remember), all tanks have to be fitted with period accurate guns. The armor on the other hand, has to be reinforced on the inside so that the shells don't penetrate the tank.

RileyWarfield
April 10, 2016, 3:47 AM
The Super Sherman yeah. Leave it to the Israelis to come up with a funky idea like that. lol

-shrugs.- I don't know Zeta. That's just what I read, granted it IS the internet so I took it with a grain of salt. These Shermans used the gun, but no the modern ammo. I don't know, but I haven't read it anywhere else.

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By the way. If you two are interested, there is a Youtuber I watch called The Mighty Jingles. He mostly does World of Tanks replay commentary... rather comedic commentary. He also talks about historical tanks, soldiers, and so on in his Monday segment "Mingles with Jingles." He is rather funny and knows quiet a bit. Oh and for you Zeta, you can find some Aviation War Thunder videos from him.

Zeta
April 10, 2016, 3:56 AM
Thanks for the suggestion, I'll check it out later.

RileyWarfield
April 25, 2016, 10:13 PM
Zeta, Armored Warfare is introducing the Merkva as a premium tank until the other can be introduced as standard units.

Zeta
April 25, 2016, 10:42 PM
Oooooooooohhhh, nice.

RileyWarfield
June 13, 2016, 6:39 PM
Who here would like to see me make profiles for tanks? I am willing to take requests for various tanks, AFVs, tank destroyers, and IFVs. And by profiles, I mean history lessons and so on! :D

RileyWarfield
July 13, 2016, 3:27 PM
I have an interesting little game for everyone to play. It's very similar to what Zeta and I did a few pages back. That is, build a new Main Battle Tank, but under a certain guideline much like how the military would set a contest for companies wanting to build a future tank. Needs are as followed.
XM2 MBT:
-Must be able to mount a 120mm L/55 gun with the ability too mount a 130mm gun in the future.
-Must have a top road speed of 70 kph and a top off road speed of 45 kph.
-Must weigh 40 to 55 tons with room to mount an extra 10 to 15 tons of ERA, NXRA, APS, and so on.
-Should have a diesel electric power plant or a improved gas turbine with a total range of at least 300 kilometers.
-The latest in target and range finding equipment plus a CROWS station.

LordThurisaz
July 14, 2016, 1:00 AM
I have one word...


Maus

Zeta
July 14, 2016, 1:18 AM
I have one word...


Maus

And I have three words for you...

Hetzer's gonna Hetz.

RileyWarfield
July 14, 2016, 2:37 AM
Now boys, let build momma Riley a tank and play nice. Lol

Zeta
July 14, 2016, 3:33 AM
[sighs heavily] Right. So for the gun barrel, it's going to be smooth-bore right? If we're using the Rheinmetall 120mm L/55 gun, it's going to be a smooth-bore. Or, as a cost saving measure, we could mount the M256 gun (which just a shortened Rheinmetall 120mm that has proven itself effective in combat).

LordThurisaz
July 14, 2016, 4:38 AM
I was just kidding, if I had to pick one and only one... I would go with the Panzerjäger Tiger Ausf. B

RileyWarfield
July 14, 2016, 8:25 AM
[sighs heavily] Right. So for the gun barrel, it's going to be smooth-bore right? If we're using the Rheinmetall 120mm L/55 gun, it's going to be a smooth-bore. Or, as a cost saving measure, we could mount the M256 gun (which just a shortened Rheinmetall 120mm that has proven itself effective in combat).
-hugs the Zeta.- I was more joking hon. You do not have to participate if you do not wish too. And besides, it doesn't need to be a real gun, you can make up a 120mm gun. Heck, if you wanted to, you can put the 120 from the Japanese type 10 on this tank.

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I was just kidding, if I had to pick one and only one... I would go with the Panzerjäger Tiger Ausf. B
So the Jagdtiger? I assume you love your tanks big? Nothing wrong with that.

Zeta
July 14, 2016, 10:18 AM
-hugs the Zeta.- I was more joking hon. You do not have to participate if you do not wish too. And besides, it doesn't need to be a real gun, you can make up a 120mm gun. Heck, if you wanted to, you can put the 120 from the Japanese type 10 on this tank.

Oh, well now I feel slightly embarrassed [laughs nervously]. In any case, for my tank I would definitely go for either the American M256 or the British L30. I kind of slightly lean towards the L30 as that rifled 120mm gun is a real record breaker.

RileyWarfield
July 14, 2016, 10:32 AM
-chuckles softly.- Either are really great guns. As I said, don't worry about what's in the military's inventory when it comes to ammunition. This is just for kicks.

Zeta
July 14, 2016, 2:16 PM
-chuckles softly.- Either are really great guns. As I said, don't worry about what's in the military's inventory when it comes to ammunition. This is just for kicks.

In that case, I'd definitely go for the L30. As for armor, I'd mount Grade 2 Dorchester armor. For the engine, I'd mount a combined diesel-electric hybrid drive system that can either operate on full electric power, full diesel, or both; I'd also put in the engine in the front (like the Merkava) in order to protect the crew. The weight I'd place... somewhere around 50 to 60 tonnes or so. I call it: the Challenger 3.

RileyWarfield
July 14, 2016, 2:49 PM
In that case, I'd definitely go for the L30. As for armor, I'd mount Grade 2 Dorchester armor. For the engine, I'd mount a combined diesel-electric hybrid drive system that can either operate on full electric power, full diesel, or both; I'd also put in the engine in the front (like the Merkava) in order to protect the crew. The weight I'd place... somewhere around 50 to 60 tonnes or so. I call it: the Challenger 3.
I see someone is a fan of British Steel!

Zeta
July 14, 2016, 3:45 PM
I see someone is a fan of British Steel!

Of course! It was the Brits that invented armoured warfare during the First World War. There also needs to be a contrast to your brutish American design. A design that favors a slow and patient defense. Onward lads! For Queen and for Country! [whistles The British Grenadiers]

RileyWarfield
July 14, 2016, 3:55 PM
Of course! It was the Brits that invented armoured warfare during the First World War. There also needs to be a contrast to your brutish American design. A design that favors a slow and patient defense. Onward lads! For Queen and for Country! [whistles The British Grenadiers]
-laughs heartily.- I just imagined you as the Mighty Jingles riding his prized TOG II into battle!

Zeta
July 14, 2016, 4:04 PM
[laughs along as well] Man, I love this! We've got such a dynamic going on! We're like a pair of buddy cops.

Dom Tropen MS-09D
July 14, 2016, 5:08 PM
175891759017591

British tanks you say?



Comet, Challenger and Charioteer reporting for duty!!

RileyWarfield
July 14, 2016, 5:21 PM
Ah three British tanks you really don't see make appearances or get mentioned often.

Zeta
July 14, 2016, 6:01 PM
How can you say you like British tanks... when you didn't even include the Centurion!

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a1/Centurion_cfb_borden_1.JPG

Dom Tropen MS-09D
July 14, 2016, 6:11 PM
How can you say you like British tanks... when you didn't even include the Centurion!

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a1/Centurion_cfb_borden_1.JPG
But I do...I just posted it earlier.
Centurion is pretty much perfect.

RileyWarfield
July 14, 2016, 6:22 PM
I won't lie, but I would much rather have a Chieftain. At least one with a proper diesel power pack.

Zeta
July 14, 2016, 7:06 PM
I still would have to go with the Centurion. It's armor is first class and legendary. There's a story from the Yom Kippur War in which two damaged Israeli Centurions faced off against 150 Syrian T-62's. Over the course of a 30-hour, the Israeli Centurions destroyed about 60 Syrian tanks, an entire armored division.

Zeta
September 8, 2016, 1:38 AM
Well, this is neat: http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/press-release/2016-09-06/a-sneak-peek-at-world-of-tanks-blitz-collaboration-with-valkyria-chronicles/.106175. Anyone here heard of World of Tanks Blitz?

Poyo
September 8, 2016, 1:11 PM
Yup: Blitz is the mobile version of the full PC game. As a veteran WoT player, I'd stick with the full PC version.

RileyWarfield
September 16, 2016, 5:00 AM
Recently got my IS-3 in WoT. lol

Zeta
September 16, 2016, 2:33 PM
Always great to see more stuff from Girls und Panzer: http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2016-09-16/girls-and-panzer-the-final-chapter-anime-announcement-video-streamed/.106535

RileyWarfield
September 16, 2016, 9:00 PM
I will have to watch it at some point. Once I get out of playing WoT and WoW Legion. Lol

Zeta
October 16, 2016, 6:41 PM
Hmm... I'm not sure whether to put this video here, or in the General Anime thread. However, since it's an anime about tanks, I think that this thread will be appropriate:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c991IDTFr0g

And along with this, Sentai Filmworks has also acquired the licensing rights for the Anzio OVA.

gundammonkey
November 24, 2017, 8:21 AM
I wouldn't say that Sherman is any where as overrated as the T-34.

Sherman had :

-very good crew layout and escape hatches
-solid gun that functioned well in both anti tank and infantry roles
-standard issue radio and gyro stabilised gun, both features which didn't become standard till after the war in other nations armor
-solid armor all around

T-34, though being solid enough, lacked many of the features that made Sherman so good. Combine that with poor reliability and abundance of German anti tank guns and you get astronomical casualties for the Soviet tankers.

Also don't forget that the Sheman was extremely versatile with multiple variances being put out on it's platform.

RileyWarfield
November 27, 2017, 7:09 PM
To be fair on the T-34's behalf. The Germans when they first encountered it and the KV-1 were completely overwhelmed by it. The sloped armor of the T-34 was all but impenetrable to the short barrel 75mm guns of the early Panzer IVs and the short barreled 50mm anti tank guns of the early Panzer IIIs from the front unless it was at point blank range, and from the sides to I believe at five hundred yards. The KV-1 was just immune to these guns and only the towed 75mm and 88 flak guns could actually penetrate them. The biggest fault was with training or lack thereof that was the direct result of Stalin's earlier purges. This resulted in tank crews that had a total of thirty minutes to two hours of time in their tanks.

Zeta
November 27, 2017, 7:30 PM
To be fair on the T-34's behalf. The Germans when they first encountered it and the KV-1 were completely overwhelmed by it. The sloped armor of the T-34 was all but impenetrable to the short barrel 75mm guns of the early Panzer IVs and the short barreled 50mm anti tank guns of the early Panzer IIIs from the front unless it was at point blank range, and from the sides to I believe at five hundred yards. The KV-1 was just immune to these guns and only the towed 75mm and 88 flak guns could actually penetrate them. The biggest fault was with training or lack thereof that was the direct result of Stalin's earlier purges. This resulted in tank crews that had a total of thirty minutes to two hours of time in their tanks.

And to add to this, I've heard stories of T-34's being driven right out of the factory gates and straight onto the battlefield. No testing to see if anything worked or failed. This of course was due because of Stalin's (and Russia's in general) preference in tactics, which was that "quantity has a quality all it's own." So in other words, they just made absurdly high numbers of armor vehicles to overwhelm the opposition with superior numbers. Compounding this was the extreme amounts of Soviet patriotism that was drilled into the minds of Red Army soldiers, whom would use unorthodox tactics to take out the Germans (such as ramming a T-34 right into the front of a Tiger tank to stop it dead in it's tracks).