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Drake2411
August 13, 2011, 12:04 AM
So what happened between him and Cagalli? First he loves her and then gives her a ring, then at the end of destiny he's with that other girl. I dont know her name but still wtf was with that. I also see a movie coming as in an actual away from this story movie like in 00

GNzaku0023
August 13, 2011, 12:23 AM
This is one primary example for how the writer's wife screwed up SEED and Destiny. She thought that the writer was getting too close to cagalli's voice actor, and pretty much ruined cagalli's character. She also set that horribad and unclear ending up. Basically, if she could find a way to screw up Cagalli, she did it.
However, in the SEED Destiny Special Edition, it show's Athrun in an Orb Union General's Uniform, which could be interpreted as he's still with Cagalli.

I don't see a SEED movie happening. Too many plot holes and too much Jesus Yamato. Not to mention how horribad the writer's wife would ruin it (Again.)

Zeta-G
August 13, 2011, 12:45 AM
Seriously? Try watching the show again. He dumps her ass around episode 26 or so, because she caved in and married Yuna after Athrun gave her the ring. He told her outright that while he understood why she did it, some things were just unforgivable. It's really not that hard to understand. Meyrin, on the other hand, stuck by his side even when all of the other ZAFT officers turned against him towards the end of the series. Additionally, for a good part of Destiny, she and her sister (along with Meer) were competing with each other to get his attention by flirting with him often, at the expense of eachother. It's not like Destiny's writing team pulled the romance out at the last second; it had been building for awhile.

As for why Cagalli became a weak-willed sniveling idiot in Destiny, GNZ might be on the right track. Of course, she had been hanging out extensively with Kira and Lacus between Seed and Destiny, and they tend to have the effect of turning the people around them into whiney crybabies, just like Kira.

GNzaku0023
August 13, 2011, 12:47 AM
Oh I totally forgot about that line, it's been a while since I've seen SEED/Destiny. Thanks for reminding me about it. 'Sides, I think Meyrin was a better choice for Athrun anyways.

And yes, I'd like to blame Kira and Lacus for Cagalli's problems.

Zeta-G
August 13, 2011, 12:53 AM
You're welcome and, yes, she was.

Drake2411
August 13, 2011, 1:26 AM
well technically she didnt marry him she almost did till Kira stopped it, so their not married and through the rest of the series Athrun still had feelings for her.


BTW i cheated by watching the movies they had on the website i watch them on and it was the whole series in 4 movies

Zeta-G
August 13, 2011, 1:41 AM
He cared about her as friend by that point, nothing more.

Skittles
August 13, 2011, 7:47 AM
And then it's revealed somewhere in the supplementary materials (I want to say the audio dramas) that Athrun only sees Meyrin as a little sister.

Even in the third variation of the end, she's still with ZAFT and he's in an Orb uniform.

Also, the mid-show dumping is far more explicit in the English dub than the Japanese, which really surprised me the last time I was taking episode notes (which was for Lodonia, not Athrun, but it all hits in the same handful of episodes).

Luna2
August 13, 2011, 7:55 AM
Wow, I am soooo glad I stopped watching at the end of SEED. Now I can make up my own fan fiction in my head about what happened. Kind of like I do when I turn off Titanic, Old Yeller, etc.

Zechs36
August 13, 2011, 8:01 AM
i don't see a seed movie happening.

thank...god!

Drake2411
August 13, 2011, 11:58 AM
haha ive heard that motorcycle reference somewhere before

Zeta-G
August 13, 2011, 3:54 PM
And then it's revealed somewhere in the supplementary materials (I want to say the audio dramas) that Athrun only sees Meyrin as a little sister.

Even in the third variation of the end, she's still with ZAFT and he's in an Orb uniform.

Also, the mid-show dumping is far more explicit in the English dub than the Japanese, which really surprised me the last time I was taking episode notes (which was for Lodonia, not Athrun, but it all hits in the same handful of episodes).

I just rewatched it. You do realize that she always wore the ZAFT uniform, even when she joined Orb/TSA with Athrun (something he did in SEED). Also that scene just shows them, Shinn, Luna, and a bunch of others escorting Kira to Lacus. The scene before it (the one at the Onogoro Island memorial), she leaves with Athrun, rather than leaving with her sister and Shinn. Factor in the rest of Destiny and it's pretty clear that they were a couple, at least at that point. Whether or not there's an offscreen breakup (like what happened with Dearka and Miriellia) between the two scenes or between the end of the series and the movie (that's still trapped in development hell), we won't know until the movie gets released (which may never happen). As far as any supplemental material is concerned, Sunrise has been pretty clear regarding Gundam: the animation is canon.

Skittles
August 13, 2011, 4:36 PM
she leaves with Athrun,

And that's what makes them a couple?

Drake2411
August 13, 2011, 4:37 PM
ok so yall said Cagalli's character got screwed by the maker because his wife got jealous of her voice actor? haha never heard that one before

Zeta-G
August 13, 2011, 4:49 PM
And that's what makes them a couple?

Try reading the whole post next time. I also said to factor in the rest of what we see in Destiny between the two.

As far as the writing decision drama goes, it is what it is. Regardless of the reasons behind the decision Athrun and Cagalli were split up. Get over it already. Even if you were to somehow prove that Athrun and Meyrin were never more than friends (something that Cagalli/Athun shippers always seem to be trying to do), it would not change the fact that Athrun left the whiney bitch (Cagalli), because she tried to marry another man, even though Athrun had just given her a sign of his affection (the ring).

I'd have left her too.

Skittles
August 13, 2011, 5:25 PM
Try reading the whole post next time. I also said to factor in the rest of what we see in Destiny between the two.

Wow, someone has a case of 'someone is wrong on the internet!'

I'm not a shipper (well, certainly none of the ones mentioned here), and I am taking into account what happens during the rest of the series. While there is a possibility their friendship/Meyrin's crush could turn into something more, it's never explicitly shown, which is all that I'm saying.

Zeta-G
August 13, 2011, 5:41 PM
While there is a possibility their friendship/Meyrin's crush could turn into something more, it's never explicitly shown, which is all that I'm saying.

That's fair enough, but understand your earlier post was a bit snippy.

I'm sick of all the Cagalli/Athrun shippers (not necessarily here). It gets quite ridiculous at times, I've eevn seen some who've altered fanfic art of Athrun and Meyrin to be Athrun and Cagalli (they changed the hair and eye colors; it was pretty obvious too, even if you hadn't seen the original, given the fact that Meyrin is a bit thicker than Cagalli or Luna).

Personally, I really don't care if Athrun has/had a romantic relationship with Meyrin or not (although I do like both characters), but the anime does give off the right signals. True it's not explicit (shocking for SEED, I know), but the signs are there.

Drake2411
August 13, 2011, 6:49 PM
That's fair enough, but understand your earlier post was a bit snippy.

I'm sick of all the Cagalli/Athrun shippers (not necessarily here). It gets quite ridiculous at times, I've eevn seen some who've altered fanfic art of Athrun and Meyrin to be Athrun and Cagalli (they changed the hair and eye colors; it was pretty obvious too, even if you hadn't seen the original, given the fact that Meyrin is a bit thicker than Cagalli or Luna).

Personally, I really don't care if Athrun has/had a romantic relationship with Meyrin or not (although I do like both characters), but the anime does give off the right signals. True it's not explicit (shocking for SEED, I know), but the signs are there.
well 08th team isnt exactly explicit. haha 2nd episode you get to see the red head girls boobs for a good 5 mins

Zeta-G
August 13, 2011, 7:00 PM
well 08th team isnt exactly explicit. haha 2nd episode you get to see the red head girls boobs for a good 5 mins
And the first SEED movie has on screen sex (granted, it's shadowy, network tv style). As a general rule, the writing for Cosmic Era is about as a subtle as a freight train, but there are the occasional moments where the writers don't spell out everything in explicit detail. I'd say that Athrun and Meyrin's relationship is one example. How Mu survived the end of SEED is another.

Drake2411
August 13, 2011, 7:34 PM
And the first SEED movie has on screen sex (granted, it's shadowy, network tv style). As a general rule, the writing for Cosmic Era is about as a subtle as a freight train, but there are the occasional moments where the writers don't spell out everything in explicit detail. I'd say that Athrun and Meyrin's relationship is one example. How Mu survived the end of SEED is another.
that wasnt Mu though it was a clone. wasnt it? it made more sense if it was and i dont remember a sex sence in the first seed movie unless your talking about the one with kira and flay then i remember seeing it on youtube cause the episodes i watched skipped it

Zechs36
August 13, 2011, 8:11 PM
How Mu survived the end of SEED is another.

THANK YOU! Someone else noticed that besides me! And also how Kira AND Athrun both survived a total detonation of their mobile suits. Not to mention Kira's was NUCLEAR POWERED! There should have been NO way he survived that explosion or for that matter Athrun should not have survived his Gouf's explosion. I'm sorry but SEED has WAAAAAAAY too many plot holes for me to enjoy. I could go on about this but I'll get off my soap box. </bitching>

Skittles
August 13, 2011, 8:13 PM
That's fair enough, but understand your earlier post was a bit snippy.

I just want to point out that he's edited his original post and this isn't what it said when I responded.

Zeta-G
August 14, 2011, 12:13 AM
I just want to point out that he's edited his original post and this isn't what it said when I responded.

You do know that the post you quoted was referring to the one I've quoted below, right? I made the comment, because you only quoted a small piece of my original post, leaving out the supporting claims, just so you could make the following remark:


And that's what makes them a couple?

My post, the one that you responded to with the post quoted above, has not been edited; if it was, it would say, "Last edited by Zeta-G; [day] at [time]."

In fact, this very post is stamped with an edit date and time just like the post that you claimed was edited would be, if it actually had been edited, which it hasn't.

Drake2411
August 14, 2011, 1:05 AM
so is there a Seed destiny movie in the works zeta?

Zeta-G
August 14, 2011, 2:08 AM
There's a series of 4 TV movies that compile Destiny out now, but I assume you meant a movie with completely new story. Sunrise announced one before 00 the series was even announced, but SEED/Destiny's head writer got sick (cancer, I believe) and it's been on hold ever since, although, if I'm remembering correctly, about a year or two ago there was. Brief news story that said she was in recovery and that she would resume working on it again. Honestly though, it may have been cancelled given how much time has passed without any updates.

Skittles
August 14, 2011, 7:11 AM
You do know that the post you quoted was referring to the one I've quoted below, right? I made the comment, because you only quoted a small piece of my original post, leaving out the supporting claims, just so you could make the following remark:



My post, the one that you responded to with the post quoted above, has not been edited; if it was, it would say, "Last edited by Zeta-G; [day] at [time]."

In fact, this very post is stamped with an edit date and time just like the post that you claimed was edited would be, if it actually had been edited, which it hasn't.

Wow, did you just totally miss my point on purpose? That's kinda awesome. Between that and the Athrun/Cagalli discourse, this is some of the most fun I've had talking about CE in ages.

And yeah, I guess you can see how that would be 'snippy' - I snipped out most of your post! But you did edit in that part after I'd responded, which took away my original opportunity to reply to it. Honestly, I just pulled out the most ridiculous of most 'shipping' claims to highlight, when arguing for pure canon as you are, and questioned if you believe that sort of thing or if you were just mentioning it as common fanon evidence.

Drake2411
August 14, 2011, 12:22 PM
it makes alot of sense if the seed writer is a women, and i mean alllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllot of sense

GNzaku0023
August 14, 2011, 12:56 PM
The SEED Writer wasn't a woman. The writer literally listened to everything his wife said and she pretty much ruined SEED/Destiny because she liked certain characters and had jealousy towards Cagalli's voice actor. Case in point: Kira was originally scripted to die, but because the writer's wife got all boohooey about it he made it so Kira conveniently shut down the Nuclear reactor just moments before the Excalibur stabbed the freedom.

I blame her for the majority of things that went wrong with SEED.

Drake2411
August 14, 2011, 1:02 PM
well i liked Kira (only person i believe that does) so if he died i wouldnt watch seed anymore

gundam007
August 14, 2011, 1:08 PM
It may never happen, but personally I would like to see a SEED movie. If nothing else, but to answer a few questions posed here.

Skittles
August 14, 2011, 3:37 PM
The SEED Writer wasn't a woman. The writer literally listened to everything his wife said and she pretty much ruined SEED/Destiny because she liked certain characters and had jealousy towards Cagalli's voice actor. Case in point: Kira was originally scripted to die, but because the writer's wife got all boohooey about it he made it so Kira conveniently shut down the Nuclear reactor just moments before the Excalibur stabbed the freedom.

I blame her for the majority of things that went wrong with SEED.

Chiaki Morosawa was SEED/Destiny's writer. SHE is married to the director, Mitsuo Fukuda.

Drake2411
August 14, 2011, 3:47 PM
Chiaki Morowawa was SEED/Destiny's writer. SHE is married to the director, Mitsuo Fukuda.
ok explains why everyone is bitchie in SEED/Destiny is because of her, but they movie should be good i cant see it not being good

Kenico
August 14, 2011, 3:50 PM
So long as the Ghost of the Crazy Wife doesnt come back from the Grave (or the Gates of Hades to be more of fact) and ruin it all. lol

RX-78-2
August 14, 2011, 4:03 PM
Kira shall die where is zeta-g help me beat the kira lover out of this kid

Drake2411
August 14, 2011, 4:15 PM
i wouldnt care if he died because it should of happened but his character fits his spot in the show and thats why i like him

Zechs36
August 14, 2011, 4:50 PM
ok explains why everyone is bitchie in SEED/Destiny is because of her, but they movie should be good i cant see it not being good

I can. If Kira is in it, it's gonna be bad

Drake2411
August 14, 2011, 5:33 PM
jeez stop being such a hater, if he wasnt in the series it wouldnt be near as good

GNzaku0023
August 14, 2011, 6:48 PM
Yes, yes it would've been much better without the way his character was. If he wasn't A: Whiney Cry-ey, and B: Capt. McBeamspam, and C: INVINCIBLE, and D: A Show Stealer, then yes, it would've been much better.

Kenico
August 14, 2011, 7:37 PM
Yes, yes it would've been much better without the way his character was. If he wasn't A: Whiney Cry-ey, and B: Capt. McBeamspam, and C: INVINCIBLE, and D: A Show Stealer, then yes, it would've been much better.

Ill drink to that! If they did his character the way they did Setsuna than maybe he would be a better character in my book, i know that OO came out after SEED but still.

Drake2411
August 14, 2011, 7:44 PM
aight then whatever

SilverFrameAstray
August 14, 2011, 10:36 PM
Holy cow. Maybe this was a thread for the Battleground. I mean, I can understand the Kira hate but damn.

Exia
August 14, 2011, 10:53 PM
Meh, I like Kira Yamato. Despite what people think about him.

Zeta
August 14, 2011, 11:00 PM
Same here. By the time he got the Freedom, he got better. Plus, what people have to understand is that Kira is not a killer. It's just not in his nature to kill as he values the life of everybody.

Exia
August 14, 2011, 11:24 PM
Same here. By the time he got the Freedom, he got better. Plus, what people have to understand is that Kira is not a killer. It's just not in his nature to kill as he values the life of everybody.

That's exactly why I like him, I find it takes more skill to NOT kill someone than it does to kill someone.

Drake2411
August 15, 2011, 12:27 AM
YAY!!!! my kira friends are going to the rescue!!!!!!!

Kenico
August 15, 2011, 1:03 AM
I find it takes more skill to NOT kill someone than it does to kill someone.

Now that i can understand, i like a character more skillfull to say shoot out the Limbs Dead Space style and shoot off the head to render the pilot unable to fight, i mean you dont neccesarly need to kill him, all youve got to do is disable and get the enemy off the battlefield and youve won.

SilverFrameAstray
August 15, 2011, 10:49 AM
Now that i can understand, i like a character more skillfull to say shoot out the Limbs Dead Space style and shoot off the head to render the pilot unable to fight, i mean you dont neccesarly need to kill him, all youve got to do is disable and get the enemy off the battlefield and youve won.

The only problem with that, is the rage types that are now destined to come back and kill you. If you don't kill them, you just leave one more enemy soldier who will likely kill more of your teammates, if not friends.

Kenico
August 15, 2011, 2:25 PM
that is unless they viloate Article one of the Soldier's creed.

Drake2411
August 15, 2011, 4:52 PM
that is unless they viloate Article one of the Soldier's creed.
yea what he said

SilverFrameAstray
August 15, 2011, 8:06 PM
PM's. Battlefield. End this.

Drake2411
August 15, 2011, 8:13 PM
we had a good run 6 pages

Zeta-G
August 15, 2011, 10:15 PM
That's exactly why I like him, I find it takes more skill to NOT kill someone than it does to kill someone.

I don't hate him for this part actually. What I hate about him is he basically hits the beamspam button and/or jumps into other people's conflicts (especially in Destiny).

In any case, the thread is about Athrun and his relationships, we should get back to discussing that in this thread (perhaps one of the mods would like to split the discussion about Kira's piloting skills into its own thread)

Drake2411
August 15, 2011, 10:55 PM
I don't hate him for this part actually. What I hate about him is he basically hits the beamspam button and/or jumps into other people's conflicts (especially in Destiny).

In any case, the thread is about Athrun and his relationships, we should get back to discussing that in this thread (perhaps one of the mods would like to split the discussion about Kira's piloting skills into its own thread)
We'd drop from 6 pages to about 2. We should just change it to Seed and things

Zeta-G
August 16, 2011, 12:46 AM
We'd drop from 6 pages to about 2. We should just change it to Seed and things

You created the thread; you should ask one of the mods to change the title, so it reflects the thread, if you think that. They'll usually oblige.

Drake2411
August 16, 2011, 12:58 AM
ok can we get a super mod to change the thread name to Seed & Things?

Exia
August 16, 2011, 8:16 AM
I don't hate him for this part actually. What I hate about him is he basically hits the beamspam button and/or jumps into other people's conflicts (especially in Destiny).

Yeah well, too be fair his gundams come prebuilt with a beamspam system. Not really his fault he uses it, I sure as hell would.

Zeta-G
August 16, 2011, 10:06 AM
Yeah well, too be fair his gundams come prebuilt with a beamspam system. Not really his fault he uses it, I sure as hell would.
The thing is, even with a beam spam button equipped suit, he got trounced by a better pilot who was using an inferior machine (Shinn/Impulse), and, if it hadn't been for plot armor, he would have been roasted by the Freedom's nuclear reactor getting ruptured.

Kira was great against helpless grunts in his beamspamming suits (Freedom/Strike Freedom), but they made him a less capable pilot in the end. And don't give me that crap about him taking down the Saviour either, because a) like Impulse it was an inferior machine and b) Athrun had no desire to take Kira out in the first place; he wanted to talk him out of of his reckless course of action. If Athrun had wanted to take Kira out, he would have gone SEED mode and done it, even if he would have had to trash the Saviour to do it, just as he had done when he used the Aegis against Kira's Strike. Shinn had the will to take Kira down, so he did it.

I'm not saying that Kira was a terrible pilot, what I'm saying is he changed from being a great pilot (Strike) to only being a good pilot, because once he was able to just hit the beamspam button (Freedom/Strike Freedom), he got lazy. Athrun managed to keep 3 Gundams at bay with a grunt suit while, Kira got the Strike Rouge taken down by a bunch of grunts; the Kira of Strike-era SEED would have trounced the grunt suits. In any case, I suspect most people's hatred of Kira has more to do with his personality than his piloting abilities (beamspam aside).

squeam
August 16, 2011, 12:31 PM
It's my theory that people hate Kira because they like him. Stay with me. In SEED, Kira was one person; in Destiny he became another. I feel a lot of people love Kira in SEED and really connect with his character (he being an awesome pilot is just a bonus), to the point that when Destiny came along and made him into something else, everyone felt betrayed. The anger over the uncharcteristic changes in Kira is transferred and directed toward Kira himself. Thus, many "hate" Kira.

GNzaku0023
August 16, 2011, 1:00 PM
It's my theory that people hate Kira because they like him. Stay with me. In SEED, Kira was one person; in Destiny he became another. I feel a lot of people love Kira in SEED and really connect with his character (he being an awesome pilot is just a bonus), to the point that when Destiny came along and made him into something else, everyone felt betrayed. The anger over the uncharcteristic changes in Kira is transferred and directed toward Kira himself. Thus, many "hate" Kira.

This exactly. I couldn't have put it better.

Zechs36
August 16, 2011, 2:00 PM
It's not exactly just Kira that I can't stand. I don't like the series as a whole and here's why. MANY MANY MANY plot holes, such as both Kira and Athrun surviving a total detonation of their MS. Even with Kira supposedly shutting off the reactor right before he was stabbed, the explosion alone would have turned him into kabobs. And Athrun living through his- He was in a Gouf for crying out loud. It's a grunt suit and he should have been Roasted alive.

Which brings me to my next point- the use of suits from the original MSG. They didn't even try to hide the fact. Sure, you can say its an homage to the original MSG, but in reality I think it was the creator being lazy and saying "Well, I've basically done a remake of the original so in my new series, why don't I just gank the suits as well?". Not to mention that they completely BASTARDIZED them. Sure the look is the same but the weapons are completely different! Case and point- At the end of Destiny, watch the Jet Stream Attack scene. 'Nuff said.

Also, anyone else wonder how in the hell Kira and Athrun found themselves back in ZAFT after their respect suits were destroyed? How did the Pretty Pretty Princess (Lacus) even find them?! For that matter, how did Mu survive the destruction of the Strike?

You see where I'm going with this? I guess it doesn't help that at my local anime convention there's kids who think SEED is the greatest series ever and won't listen otherwise.

Ok, I'm done ranting. I'm off the soap box.

SilverFrameAstray
August 16, 2011, 2:34 PM
I dunno I actually enjoyed the Blaze Zaku Phantom and Gouf Ignited. Weapons aside, the designs are nice. I don't hate Kira as much as I hate Lacus. When did she go from pop star to military/political head?

Just ain't logical.

And it kind of irks me when people have only ever seen one or few series that aren't all that great, and then turn it around and say it's the best series and all of everything else is crap. Like Wingnuts. Now, we're all fans of wing I believe, but just the kids who grew up in the 90's and saw Wing on Toonami, and now Wing is better than all other gundam. Even if you try and show them better gundam series.

How would you feel if some ponce was saying Wing was better than Zeta?

Zeta-G
August 16, 2011, 2:46 PM
Wing > Zeta? Blasphemy.

As for Kira, I hate him from the point he teams up with Lacus (basically upon him getting Freedom). And yes, Lacus is much worse.

squeam
August 16, 2011, 3:52 PM
I don't mind the Zeon MS ripoffs at all. Some of the designs I actually prefer to the UC ones and, hey, imtitation and flattery and all that. I liked the Jet Stream Attack homage, too bad it was in a lackluster show. If 3 Dreissens would've Jet Stream'd Unicorn in Episode 3, everyone would be saying how cool it was.

Kenico
August 16, 2011, 4:13 PM
yea what he said

to be more clear the Soldier's Creed is the Ten (or 20) Commandments of the Soldier. Article One is and i Quote: "No Civilian Casualties". meaning if the Rage Antag were to threaten anyone other your own personal well being (whether by actual attack or mere threat) that means According to Article Ten: "the penalty for violating Articles Nine and especialy One, is Death", Which in itself means if the Rage antag should either make the inital threat or Heaven forbid carry it out, you (the soldier who has offered mercy) are OBLIGATED to place either the barrel of your buster rifle or any melee weapon (beam sword, physicall sword SHINN style, heat saber/hawl, etc.) directly into the cockpit. in other words if he threatens innocent civilians or just outright viloates the entire Creed or breaks every rule in the book (Article Nine.) kill him.

Drake2411
August 16, 2011, 5:31 PM
to be more clear the Soldier's Creed is the Ten (or 20) Commandments of the Soldier. Article One is and i Quote: "No Civilian Casualties". meaning if the Rage Antag were to threaten anyone other your own personal well being (whether by actual attack or mere threat) that means According to Article Ten: "the penalty for violating Articles Nine and especialy One, is Death", Which in itself means if the Rage antag should either make the inital threat or Heaven forbid carry it out, you (the soldier who has offered mercy) are OBLIGATED to place either the barrel of your buster rifle or any melee weapon (beam sword, physicall sword SHINN style, heat saber/hawl, etc.) directly into the cockpit. in other words if he threatens innocent civilians or just outright viloates the entire Creed or breaks every rule in the book (Article Nine.) kill him.
sounds cool:)

Zeta-G
August 16, 2011, 5:40 PM
I don't mind the Zeon MS ripoffs at all. Some of the designs I actually prefer to the UC ones and, hey, imtitation and flattery and all that. I liked the Jet Stream Attack homage, too bad it was in a lackluster show. If 3 Dreissens would've Jet Stream'd Unicorn in Episode 3, everyone would be saying how cool it was.

Dreissen doing a jet stream attack would be pretty cool though. As for the redesigns, I liked them for the most part (I even prefer the GOUF Ignited over the stock UC Gouf). I never saw the point of the complaints (other than Luna getting a red Zaku); every Gundam series has a Gundam variant with some looking very close to the original (0 and Strike come to mind), and no one complains about them. What's wrong with an AU Zaku variant?

Drake2411
August 16, 2011, 6:49 PM
hey in my eye most key gundams in every series resembles the original in some way.

squeam
August 16, 2011, 9:34 PM
Agree and agree. Again, when looked at in the context of Destiny, they're just one more thing for people to hate. Seperate from the show, they are pretty stinking cool. Seems that many of us prefer GOUF Ignited to normal Gouf :)

Zeta-G
August 17, 2011, 1:08 AM
Agree and agree. Again, when looked at in the context of Destiny, they're just one more thing for people to hate. Seperate from the show, they are pretty stinking cool. Seems that many of us prefer GOUF Ignited to normal Gouf :)

To be fair, I like the Gouf Custom more than the Ignited.

squeam
August 17, 2011, 6:02 AM
I was going to ask that. I prefer Gouf Custom as well.

Zechs36
August 17, 2011, 2:34 PM
Agree and agree. Again, when looked at in the context of Destiny, they're just one more thing for people to hate. Seperate from the show, they are pretty stinking cool. Seems that many of us prefer GOUF Ignited to normal Gouf :)

Somewhere, Ramba Ral is rolling over in his grave.